last mountain lion killed in new hampshire

Like why would you want one wildlife. I saw a mountain lion on my property in NE corner of Dutchess County about 6 years ago -- the cat (or a cat) had been spotted many times over the years and was believed to have been introduced and escaped from a nearby Hunting Preserve. I tracked cats and all the western states. In Vermont, it was 1881. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. Rick van de Poll: Rick your thoughts. However the scarring on the trees did not and the angles were off. The one confirmed case, sometimes referred to as the " Connecticut Mountain Lion " happened in June 2011 when an SUV struck and killed a cougar in Milford. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. Having not found any evidence is not the same as saying there are no mountain lions, its the same as saying we dont know. Peter Biello: Worth mentioning if we're scaring anybody question a mysterious mountain lions lurking perhaps in someone's backyard. Thank you very much for being here. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. Caller: It had to be a mountain lion convinced I was about 30. Patrick Tate: Nice talk to you too. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. Home; Archivos. Can you look into this picture. Mountain lion DNA was recovered from a Petersham, Mass., close to the New Hampshire border, after a 2016 incident in which a horse was injured. The next week, on June 11, the cat was hit and killed by an SUV on the Wilbur Cross Parkway in Milford. It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. Cougars are believed to have died off in New Hampshire in the 1880s after deforestation and hunting drove them to extinction, according to the 1950s book "A History of New Hampshire Game. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. The DNA the DNA that they were able to pull from the cat suggested that it was a dispersed mountain lion that came. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. There was a lot of DNA evidence. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. Sam what's the incentive for the government to deny allegedly. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. Peter Biello: Hmm. . We send out DNA samples to the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station. Gotcha, so the Deep State is suppressing mountain lion news in order to prop up New Hampshire tourism? So here in New Hampshire when a person turns in something that the Department believes is possible mountain lion and believes it should be investigated further. John is calling from Bennington. Oh you saw him online. The last catamount in Vermont is finally, officially, certainly dead. The report came in from a conservation officer. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. We are the second most-forested state in the country, and those forests can be impenetrable snarls (part of why the Northeast is notoriously a difficult place to hunt deer), and while there are people in a lot of those woods, because the cats have been absent for a few generations now, most of those people dont know what a cougar scrape or latrine look and smell like. Tim Yeah. Tell us your story. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. Every other Friday on Morning Edition NHPRs Sam Evans-Brown tracks down answers to questions about the environment and outdoors for our listeners in a segment we call Ask Sam.. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. But before I go any further I want to say we do not have sufficient game. for some excitement. Which which I think Pat and I have both experienced. And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. And here we're talking about in this situation we're talking about it migrated from the West. And really whenever you hear tiny code and long rope like tale it's kind of hard to pin this sighting on any other creature rather than an outline or just nothing else really matches that description. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. There was no sign of it. For starters, part of the confusion might come from the fact that the eastern cougar was taken off the endangered species list earlier this year. Caller: Hi. They were able to do all that by genetics. And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. From came from out west they tracked it all the way back to the Black Hills in the Dakotas. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. It was killed in Lee New Hampshire in 1853. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. The term is because mascots notwithstanding right that they're referred to with a lot of different terms and sometimes they can be confused with a lot of different terms. In latest school funding trial, state attorneys argue NH districts' budgets are bloated, Lawmakers, advocates, families in NH react to Biden Admin's proposed Title IX change, Give Back NH: The New England Grassroots Environment Fund, NHs housing crisis is pushing more older adults to seek help. So I think in that story there's there's something for the believers and the nonbelievers and I and you know Mark L. Brock is who is a gentleman with the cougar Network told me this story is evidence that that if they were here we would know about it. People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. He was just walking along the river then went up into the woods . I mean there was this one lady I remember and tough tomorrow. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. A trail of DNA evidence collected over the years shows this particular mountain lion had traveled through New York, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota. We had six copies printed out each. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. When the federal Endangered Species Act came along, the Eastern Cougar (Puma concolor cougar), the subspecies of Mountain Lon ti hat orgi inally occurred Share. Peter Biello: Wow. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. What kind of animal is that. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Right. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. Peter Biello: Rick I believe you did mention that that they do leave carcasses up in the tree from time to time but are there any other species known in New Hampshire to do this on a regular basis. Thanks for taking my call. So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. Pat do they typically just move around a lot. Patrick Tate: Well. By Eric Orff. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. They don't know the direction they're going. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. Let us know your story and share your photos. Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. According to the Nebraska Game and Parks report, a homeowner heard growling coming from underneath his porch while working outside. Peter Biello: I did mention four feet nose to tail would be kind of small for a mountain lion. However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. Caller: Are probably. We've met Fish and Game's BURDEN OF PROOF. So and so they so they do get pretty involved. There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. So. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. OK. That location they just described we had two or three Bobcats radio collared on just off the runway in Laconia airport. Peter Biello: So Rick seems like you agree that the tail is a big giveaway whether or not it's a mountain lion Absolutely. Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us. What's going on. Peter Biello: The number is 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. (Credit: Buddy Wilkerson via Storyful) . lewis structure for ch2cl. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. They're very loyal to what the handler which makes them very dangerous to everyone else. It's good to talk to you. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. The sub-population in Florida is known as the Florida panther . Give today. We'd love to have you in the queue. This is the exchange. Credit: Elizabeth Nichols via Storyful . Somewhere the way they travel the things they do they're going to leave evidence. Join as a sustainer and support independent local news for your community. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. Infinite Scroll Enabled. Which goes back to the Connecticut Connecticut cat and what not. It was in the spring flash kind of early summer and my wife looked at you look at the size of an adult bear and we were up in arms. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. There's no attraction. The western mountain lion lives in a more of a grassland open area now so to blend in with a very lighted situation here in the Northeast we are very shadowy dark situation because of the forest and our cats wear a darker brownish reddish color than what they were and they were also smaller than what the western mountain lion is. Rick van de Poll: Well a report that you know as John Harrigan up north has in co-ops County for about 15 years I kept track of reports and people would call me and tell me where they saw the mountain lion they thought they saw it and it varied right from you know downtown villages all the way to remote highlands of the North Country and and everywhere in between. Thank you. Patrick Tate: So one thing I'd say is DNA would definitely identify an animal animal's Mark line or not. People go through great lengths to create hoaxes like this. Good morning guys. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. Caller: I cannot recall or see the tail in my in my image of it. So in fact, maybe a decade ago now there was a mountain lion killed in Connecticut and through DNA analysis of that mountain lion and scat that had been left in various places. And those are not the same things. If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. Were there any differences between these two that we could have noticed right off. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. So Pat you field a lot of calls about people seeing or reportedly seeing mountain lions. Absolutely. She is renowned for tracking. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. M from Tree Hill author series presenting Diane lay back. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. He said matter of fact I do. Thanks for your call. They create these big latrines that are very obvious. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. If youve got photo trap evidence of a Mountain Lion, send it in, and we'll send it along to the appropriate state or federal agency! brings a lot of. We want answers. So so do what you can get to do what you can to get proof. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. Sam Evans-Brown: Certainly that is a thing I've heard but again you have to think of the incentives involved here. Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. Peter Biello: Today on the program Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist and far better project leader Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in which is about the natural world and how we use it. Seems reasonable! And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. Have it reported down in the Keene area. So for me as a person who's had the Bobcats right off my grits similar carries sticks to a bobcat The Long Tail obviously very different but those facial markings were overlapping for me. But Absence of Evidence Is Not Evidence of Absence, Right? So what counts as verifiable evidence? Well I can't tell you what you saw. Is this kind of a typical story. In Vermont, it was 1881. For all the men out there that don't realize it. It was a 3:45 pm on the east side of the river . Mike thanks for your call. Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. Something along those lines. And I have to use that word allegedly because there is so much dispute about what people see and what they actually see. It all used to be based on measurable physical traits color, skull size, paw size, etc but now its based on whether an animal can be shown to be genetically distinct from others. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. Think you've seen a mountain lion. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. Here it is. My YouTube Channel NH Fish and Game YouTube Channel My Facebook Page My Weekly Live Stream on the NH Wildlife Federation FB Page Home About Eric 2022 NH Nature Notes NH Wildlife NH Wildlife Deer Deer in NH You need a permit to have that. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take. There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange. Peter Biello: From New Hampshire Public Radio I'm Peter Biello in for Lark Knoy and this is the exchange. and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. I found a second scat scent both to him. It's bigger but bigger and better world. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. OK. Caller: Oh hi. (Cue the X-Files music: The Government is denying the cougars exist!) This decision was primarily for nerdy phylogeny reasons, though, because the eastern cougar probably never existed. And it's not really strong. The last known mountain lion killed in New Hampshire is displayed at the Woodman Museum in Dover. Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HD PR fine Peter Biello and today we're talking with folks who can tell us about the mysterious elusive mountain line and whether or not it is actually here in New Hampshire. The evidence for the 1874 cougar is so hard that it's held in a display case in the State Museum of . No doubt in my mind it was. You know interactions are pretty unusual. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. The states never denied mountain lions are here, and theyve never admitted mountain lions are here. I mean I that said I've lived out west for nine years. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Mountain lions leave a lot of sign. Patrick Tate: Yes. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. "There is a very low possibility of seeing them in the. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. Peter Biello: And that will make identification for a layperson rather difficult. John. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. The last Massachusetts Mountain Lion was killedaround 1858. Its actually fairly reasonable to believe that mountain lions do, at least, pass through occasionally. Theyve always said when we have verifiable evidence to say a mountain lion has been, is, or was in the state that wed acknowledge that and give that information out, says Pat Tate, the furbearer biologist with New Hampshire Fish and Game, who insists theres no conspiracy. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. She quotes a biologist in Lyme New Hampshire who who is keeping two mountain lions himself so in the not too distant past in the early nineteen hundreds it was perhaps more common and still in Maine. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. Patrick Tate: Exactly I was gonna bring that up juvenile male of. They are the same thing. Thanks for a great thanks. "Of those three to five reports, one. Deer manages to free itself from the claws of a mountain lion in Alpine, California. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred years, says Mark Elbroch, the Puma Program Director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization, So even the folks who live with mountain lions still have a fancy and see something thats not there to me thats incredible.. Have you seen one. We're going to talk a little bit more about habitat first but then we'll get into sightings. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. Let's look for other evidence. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. And so far we have not had any positive mark lion scats or any DNA. Kansas officials think a mountain lion recently roamed through Shawnee County. All they think it traveled north through Canada up you know crossed across the Great Lakes and then and then down again through New York State. You treat it as if it's a sincere situation. Now Bobcat is a completely different species. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. And it was you know 10 or 12 people saw it all at once. A middle school in Manchester, New Hampshire has sent out an alert after a mountain lion was spotted. The American Lion The Saber tooth Tiger and this was the one that survived. If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. Id like to hazard the explanation that we really, really want to see a mountain lion. That's next time on one day. State officials have said, over and over in recent years, that the eastern mountain lion has been completely wiped out from the Northeast. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. We actually have the largest subspecies of bobcat in the northern part of our state which they can get up to 40 and over 40 pounds which looks like an 80 pound the animal to visually and quite large. Peter Biello: Well Mike thanks very much for sharing your story. Caller: So I've been telling this story for five years or so and very few people believe me. Thank you. You've got you've got biologists right who are trying to make their make their way in the world make a career if you are the biologists who confirmed a sighting of mountain lions in the state that would be very good for you like you would be all over the news. However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax. support for an HBO who comes from you our listener Sam from advanced in you a local New Hampshire nonprofit specializing in college student loans and student refinancing options. And they were using all the habitat. Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. Does not test random Scouts. About two years ago I was at the Laconia airport on the way home from the airport and there's a big lake on one side called Lily Pond. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. John thanks. They absolutely do. We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. Patrick Tate: So I'm not sure what subspecies of cat they're using to differentiate by those markings but once she was describing the White other face in the black. So you want identifiable backgrounds. Sam Evans-Brown: And when we talk about subspecies this actually leads to to an interesting tangent which is that the field of biology recently has been sort of revolutionized by the use of DNA to determine what subspecies are. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. Rick your thoughts. Lots of people have stories about them, people have them on their game cameras I mean its kind of a thing. Patrick Tate: So Cougar Mountain Lion katama. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. So I know it's another unconfirmed report but you string enough of these together. How far were you from this cat. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. 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